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  1. April Watts
    April 11, 2016

    I would leave a man before I would allow him to circumcise my son.

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    • Cat Saunders
      November 2, 2016

      You’ve got your priorities straight, April. Thank you!

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  2. Fawn Sears
    April 11, 2016

    Well just my thought to me there is nothing wrong with circumcision my son was circumcised and he is healthy and happy as can be nothing ever went wrong he is now 15 but it’s your choice if you want that or not I’m not judging anyone.

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    • Hugh7
      April 15, 2016

      At fifteen, we may assume he hasn’t used it much yet. Much of the damage of male genital cutting (which is not the “circumcision” of the bible) doesn’t manifest itself until he is. Since there’s no urgency, there’s no reason it shouldn’t be HIS choice as an adult. He’ll almost always choose to keep everything, so your choice to leave him alone is almost always the right choice.

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    • Judi
      August 27, 2018

      Fawn, If being circed is so bad then why do most men want their sons to be??? Most men do not regret it. My husband is and we both are glad he is.

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      • Joe
        September 9, 2018

        Judi,

        There are many men in the United States that want their sons circumcised because they are, but these men generally are not arguing for it from an informed position. Psychologically speaking, by doing it to their sons, it legitimizes what was done to them and carries on the ‘tradition’, but it’s not a logical choice that’s made. As they say, hurt people hurt people. It’s just carrying on the cycle. Men who research, realize what was done to them and what they’re missing, and understand the rights of the child to bodily integrity in the face of cultural or religious tradition break this cycle and do not do it to their sons. The more you know, the less of a good idea it seems.

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      • Joe
        September 9, 2018

        Also, check out this article I wrote about guys who are ‘happy’ about being circumcised.

        https://www.littleimages.org/blog/quality/

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  3. April Watts
    April 11, 2016

    You can say that as the person who didn’t have a cosmetic surgery on your genitals that you didn’t and couldn’t consent to. Every single purported medical benefit has been debunked by the rest of the industrialized world health organizations and as for religious reasons, as a devout Christian Fawn you would have tag your bible and seen the many passages in the new testament that condemn circumcision. Jesus was the final sacrifice and it says in Galatians that if you circumcise or be circumcised Christ will be of no benefit to you.

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  4. April Watts
    April 11, 2016
  5. Fawn Sears
    April 11, 2016

    According to genesis God told abraham to circumcise himself, his household and his slaves as an everlasting covenant in their flesh. Those who were not circumcised were to be cut off from their people read genesis 17 in the king James version bible

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    • Susie
      April 12, 2016

      Fortunately, the Old Testament circumcision was completely different and a small snip compared to the mutilation and uncovering of the glans that is performed in the modern era. I’m a nurse and have studied up… Sounds like you need to study up and see the difference. The glans shouldn’t be exposed except during sexual intercourse. I encourage you to explore the blogs on this website and study the Bible further since you have not realized yet that Jesus is the sacrifice now!!

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    • Sarah Rouse Cooney
      May 17, 2016

      How can quoting a part of the Bible that talks about circumcising slaves help you at all?! And how does telling us you are a Missionary’s wife help either? Do you expect automatic respect for what you are saying because of that assertion? The insanity and lack of humanity on this subject boggles my mind. I was raised Christian but have lost respect for organized religion and particularly the US Catholic Church that allows this barbaric practice to go on its hospitals. Section 2297 of the Catechism is quite clear that non-therapeutic amputation is against the moral law. The Church cannot even apply its own rules. My husband was circumcised in a Catholic Hospital. He is not thankful. He is outraged. He wrote to his Bishop who got in such a muddle he had to go and ask a “respected theologian” about section 2297. Guess what the theologian said? Yes, you’re right circumcision is a violation of section 2297 unless we change the meaning of “therapeutic” to include prevention rather than cure. He told the Bishop he had a moral obligation to look into it further. So far as I’ve heard, Rome hasn’t changed the meaning of “therapeutic” to include prevention. Perhaps someone pointed out that if you try tampering with the language to allow American Catholic hospitals to carry on their abuse, you would also be able to justify preventative amputation of children’s breast buds to avoid breast cancer in later life…

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    • Frank McGinness
      May 18, 2016

      Interesting read from Glick’s “Marked in Your Flesh”: “that the Lord’s covenant and his two definitive promises (prodigious reproduction success and a lavish land grant (all of Canaanite land) appears first in Genesis 15, an earlier J text but with one crucial difference, there is no mention of circumcision.” “To seal this covenant the only requirement is that Abram offer several sacrificial animals- a heifer, goat, ram, dove, and one other bird. Here we find no mention of circumcision, no change of name, no mention of Isaac or Ishmael.” “Like a number of their neighbors, the ancient Israelites had practiced circumcision, but not as a mandatory rite and probable seldom on infants; nor did they associate it with the idea of covenant.”
      It was the Judean Priests who wrote Genesis 17 (P text) 13 centuries after Abraham’s putative lifetime that called for male circumcision of infants. A initiation rite not so much for the infant but of the father who must circumcise his son himself for he is cognizant of the event whereas the infant is not. These type of circ.s were the cutting off the acroposthion (the part that hangs past the glans). No damage of tearing the foreskin from the glans (thus results scarring from the cut up to the tip of the glans) and no amputating the part covering the glans. The radical circ., also medically known as penile reduction, as we do happens centuries later. The Torah says not to mark the body, the original Covenant jives with the earliest Judea.

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      • Angela
        September 15, 2017

        To sum up Frank’s remarks:

        Genesis had multiple authors. Genesis 17 was inserted about 1300 years after the time of Abraham, by priests for their own political agenda. “Marked in Your Flesh,” by Leonard Glick, MD, PhD.

        Glick, who is Jewish, is both a medical doctor and an anthropologist, and he opposes genital mutilation of children.

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  6. April Watts
    April 11, 2016

    Yes and if you’re a jew that’s still what’s done but being a Christian I’m surprised you’re not familiar with the new testament and its passages regarding circumcision that Jesus was the last flesh sacrifice for the redemption of your soul and your covenant with God

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  7. Fawn Sears
    April 11, 2016

    I’m very familiar with the whole bible I’m a missionaries wife I will let you believe what you want and I will believe what I want I wasn’t bashing anyone if you don’t want to circumcise your son then that’s your right as a parent and if you do then so be it.

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    • Frank McGinness
      May 18, 2016

      Intact genitals are a human right. I also believe no one should have the right to forcibly cut healthy genitals, especially of children, to use their body as a billboard, to use his penis as a signpost of of religious , societal, or parental beliefs. This is not necessary to the health off the child. It is exploiting a child. The foreskin is the primary sensory organ and primary immune system, not to mention mechanical application for pleasure and health. This is nationally recognized by many and stated as well.

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  8. April Watts
    April 11, 2016

    Yeah…no so be it can’t fly here because to amputate healthy functioning flesh from a person without their consent and the conditions of proxy consent haven’t been met it becomes a human rights violation and mutilation.

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  9. Christina Dinham
    April 11, 2016
  10. Hannah Vander Wilt
    April 11, 2016

    The Bible says “Love does not insist on it’s own way” (1 Corinthians 13), and describes a person full of the wisdom from above as “open to reason” (James 3:17).
    If your wife truly believes something to be morally wrong (because it unnecessarily risks someone’s life and health, causes severe pain, and takes/destroys something good that God gave to them), isn’t it worth a few hours of your time to be “open to reason” and see if this is truly necessary for your son, rather than insisting on your own way and clinging to old myths you heard once about how God’s creation isn’t actually very good?

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  11. Christina Dinham
    April 11, 2016
  12. Venetia Gunn-King
    April 11, 2016

    http://britishorthodox.org/glastonburyreview/issue-122-circumcision-and-the-copts/
    A history of Christianity and Circumcision…”the collective problems of castration, penile amputation and circumcision… grouped together because they were all considered to be undesirable mutilation of the body, God’s perfect creation. This thinking of the perfection of human body as the handmade of God had been the foundation of traditional Christian teaching on matters related to mutilation of the body – God’s creation should not be tampered with. The three practices were, therefore, all banned by earlier ecclesiastical law, putting those who performed any of them under sanctions.” These sanctions apply to *all* Christian traditions.

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  13. Sarah Elishia Robson
    April 11, 2016

    Old testament, New testament, whichever. Bottom line is that you should probably question a belief system that suggests you should inflict unnecessary and excruciating pain on an innocent in a show of your own spiritual commitment.

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  14. Jillian
    April 12, 2016

    This article so accurately captures the struggle between my husband and I. It tore at our marriage. My heart was in anguish for months. I’m not being dramatic. It effected every part of my life to be at odds with my husband. Nothing has been so hard in the six years we’ve been married. I’d love to say that all the maternal instinct, facts and research I provided swayed him, but despite his extensive reading and personal research he was still afraid of the possible cultural implications. Just afraid.
    He never did come to want our son intact, however, he did decide that the damage to our marriage would be greater if he forced the decision by pulling rank. He knew that he had that authority and that I would submit to him out of duty but that it would cause deeper issues as I would struggle against resentment and would have a hard time wanting to get pregnant again for fear of making the decision again. I can not tell you how proud I am of my husband that he laid down his desires and fears for my heart and our marriage. I’m surprised that he chose that path but I am so very blessed by it. It has changed our marriage for the better instead.
    My son is 6 months and we don’t talk about his penis, my husband hasn’t changed his opinion and the tension is just starting to recede. It’s sad that we still don’t agree and I pray that someday he’ll be happy with and embrace the choice to do nothing to our son.
    I can’t express how relieved I was when he told me he wouldn’t push it. It truly shows that he is a strong leader of our house and I respect him all the more for it. Now that’s a real man.

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  15. Kittie Foster
    April 12, 2016

    The good lord makes no mistakes. Foreskin is not a mistake or birth defect. It is supposed to be there. Everything is created perfectly in God’s image and so to alter the body of a newborn is actually rather insulting to the Lord, no? New testament refers to circumcision as a mutilation.
    ‘Listen! I, Paul, am telling you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no benefit to you. Once again I testify to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obliged to obey the entire law. You who want to be justified by the law have cut yourselves off from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.’ (Gal. 5:1-4)
    ‘I am confident about you…But whoever it is that is confusing you will pay the penalty. But my friends, why am I still being persecuted if I am still preaching circumcision? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. I wish those who unsettle you would castrate themselves!’ (Gal. 5:7-8, 10-12)
    *’It is those who want to make a good showing in the flesh that try to compel you to be circumcised- only that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ. Even the circumcised do not themselves obey the law, but they want you to be circumcised so that they may boast about your flesh.’ (Gal. 6:12-13 NRSV)*
    **’Beware of the dogs, beware of the evil workers, beware of those who mutilate the flesh! For it is we who are the circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God…’ (Phil. 3:2)**
    http://www.cirp.org/pages/cultural/glass1/

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